Curse

Aphotic · Mar 02, 2007, 12:06 AM // 00:06

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Originally Posted by BahamutKaiser

How nice of you to take the time to make undeveloped responses, out of context, and BTW, there is unlimited edit time, double posting isn't appropriate or sanctioned. Good of you to join the community

Yay for being a complete and total jerk? Maybe if you took other people more seriously, people would take you more seriously. And maybe if you learned how to better handle criticism, you could somehow modify your original idea to a point where everyone would look at it and say, "Yeah, that would work."

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Originally Posted by BahamutKaiser

I pointed out that persons ignorance because he said there are no dragons beyond the bone dragons in Kryta, and that they were a long dead race. Really, anyone who hasn't bothered to play through or study the game has no place making speculations about what does and doesn't belong, since they don't know enough to comment. The point I defended is that Dragons are in GW already, and there where not only living Dragons in Tyria, but there were future offspring, readily noticable when you meet glint for the first time. A PERFECT set up for future involvement with dragons.

Do you notice how you don't talk to Glint after crawling through five rooms filled with annoying conditions and baddies? Or how you have to go through half a dozen missions just to get close to Kunavaang? If it takes so long to reach dragons that are suppose to be allies to humankind, why would a whole horde of them just wake up and say, "Hey, let's mingle with humans"? Dragons have obviously seperated themselves from humans for some reason, and there's no reason for them to start associating with freely, now. Not only that, how would an entire city of humans react to a dragon just waltzing right in? Obviously, they wouldn't know how to react. It is possible to fill this gap in with some storyline, however, I'm not sure about you, but I would be a bit unnerved if I saw numerous dragons walking around in my city. Not ONLY that, but as far as Lore goes, you've already been shown that Dragons coming into play would be unreasonable on (I think) page 2.

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Originally Posted by BahamutKaiser

Crowding is a very weak difficulty, truely, there are not enough people to make a decent party in current chapters for most areas, the only place you see alot of people is in bonified cities, and retro chapters get even less action, crowding is an extreme mute point, on top of which preperation can be made in the event of such addition. As you might know, there are multiple storage agents in populated areas to make more room for players to access NPCs in town, furthermore, better access can be invented to avoid this problem altogether, this has next to nothing to do with whether dragons are an enjoyable or acceptable character option, only pointless and easily remedied difficulties.

This doesn't mean there WON'T be instances where dragons will crowd. Lion's Arch has 3 Xunlai Agents perched on a cliff. The only way to get to them is to go up a staircase and then a hill, which could easily cause blockage if numerous dragons were up there. Kianeng Center has more space, given, but if dragons were implemented they would undoubtedly become a popular choice for new characters, and it would still be easy to crowd the stairways you need to traverse to get to the Storage Agents. Again, in Kamadan, the area with Xunlai Agents is only accessible by stairways.

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The size I had in mind is about the size of a Wallow, maybe a slight bit bigger, smaller than something like a Yak. Size and blocking is a useful tactic to add to the game, as even Warriors "tank" possition really only helps them survive, and makes them key units to send in first. A character class which causes extra blocking is in a possition to provide better defense via blocking to his allies. But if I didn't make it clear enough, the option to fly over other characters allows Dragons to remove character blocking from the equation, in their favor of course.

What about outposts? Would flying be allowed there? Would that mean then that skills would be usable in outposts? Ok, while we're at it, lets add weapons. Hmmm? Pvp? Do you hear that? That's the sound of the integrity of the game crumbling.

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I never said there was no way to "humanize" dragons either, I said that anything short of a Dragon is weak, and going for second and third attractions is a mistake. I already mentioned that a good way to make Dragons more functional in town is to have Human counterparts, or avatars which roam about wile they are in town. Note Glints "projection" in Droknars forge, Dragons could make an astral image to help them navigate peaceful areas.

So, not only will we have to worry about dragons wandering freely in our cities, but now apparitions?

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Originally Posted by BahamutKaiser

People brought up the idea that it would be easier to have a human which turned into a dragon when they left town, well that comes second to a dragon who can turn into a human to enter town, working up to dragon is never as good as working down from it, being the dragon is impressive because you actually are a dragon, not a human imitating one. And to update that issue, Dervish can turn into avatars of the Gods, Why would someone practice the art of turning into something less than the most powerful beings in exsistance? Imitating a dragon comes second to imitating a god, but being a dragon is just as good.

Again, dragons roaming freely in town? And turning into the Avatar of a God isn't nearly the same as turning into one. And the benefits that come with transforming into the Avatar of a God hardly match up to turning into a dragon.

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And obviously you are another brief skimmer and don't bother to even capture the founding plot of the idea, a Dragon "Character" is different than other Profession based classes because it cannot combine with other Professions for alternate capabilities, the basis of this idea is introducing creatures as playable characters, which arn't just different looking humanoids with the same pool of classes to draw from, but unique Creature classes which have Singular class attributes and functions, without the combination of other profession based classes at their disposal, Dragon was just my primary aim for this idea, good of you to recognize it.

This would overthrow the entire class system that Guild Wars is based off of. People would focus more on being creatures than exercising the versatility of classes and class combinations available to them. Offering so many options would ultimately defeat the purpose of the original ideas that Guild Wars is based off of.

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Thank you for restating all of the above with nothing new to add to the conversation except that there are even more lazy, and brief (and likely less capable than I will bother to describe) People out there to prejudge an idea, instead of taking the time to consider the idea or learn what has been developed from the begining and thus far.

I'm sure most people have better things to do than read your litany. And people are going to continue to repeat the same things if you cant cease to continue unbasingly rebuke blaringly obvious issues surrounding your idea. I'll be the umpteenth to tell you that as is, your idea stinks, and odds are, you'll hand back the same crap you've been spitting out for the last 4 pages now. And as far as I've seen, there is no difference between your idea now and your idea then.

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P.S. closer inspection will show that many of the people who think the idea doesn't even work still like dragons and think it would be cool, they just don't think it will work, I am not the only person who has an interest in the most impressive creature in fantasy....

The fact that most people would agree that dragons are cool is completely irrelevant. The fact is, you bring an idea here, ask for feedback, and all you can make out of all the constructive criticism that's been flooding your way is a pile of crap. If you bring an idea here, expect to receive criticism. At no point is there call to be a total jerk about it. If you can't accept the fact that there are going to be people who won't like your idea, and that your idea isn't going to be perfect from the get-go, maybe you're in the wrong forum.

Aphotic · Mar 02, 2007, 12:06 AM // 00:06

(Ignore this post, entirely accidental)

BahamutKaiser · Mar 02, 2007, 01:58 AM // 01:58

Ignorant, irrelavent, and false feedback isn't solicited. I owe no courtosy to idiots who slander the idea without reading it, nor do I care if they are capable of understanding it.

I do owe them the disrespect they have earned, and if they want to slander in return so be it, and if you want to ignorantly defend them so be it as well, I honestly don't care what you think, because you obviously can't think very well. It really is that simple.

I really don't care how bias and narrow anyone is about the idea, you assume it doesn't work, so what, it would work, it is simply to great for your mind to comprehend.

And yes, only newby fools like you would draw up a lost thread to protest against it when it is already disappearing on it's own...... so stupid it is funny. No really, it hasn't been discussed since last year LOL, and you thought you were actually making an impact by bringing it up and agreeing with 100 other idiots that it couldn't work. Ignored.

Aphotic · Mar 02, 2007, 02:16 AM // 02:16

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Originally Posted by BahamutKaiser

Ignorant, irrelavent, and false feedback isn't solicited. I owe no courtosy to idiots who slander the idea without reading it, nor do I care if they are capable of understanding it.

I do owe them the disrespect they have earned, and if they want to slander in return so be it, and if you want to ignorantly defend them so be it as well, I honestly don't care what you think, because you obviously can't think very well. It really is that simple.

I really don't care how bias and narrow anyone is about the idea, you assume it doesn't work, so what, it would work, it is simply to great for your mind to comprehend.

And yes, only newby fools like you would draw up a lost thread to protest against it when it is already disappearing on it's own...... so stupid it is funny, Ignored.

Bahamut, you are the pinnacle of irony. You refuse to believe that your idea is flawed and requires touching up. The errors in your idea have been pointed out to you numerous times. You back your ideas with flawed information. You insult everyone who tries to tell you that you're wrong, and that your concept needs work. And here you are, telling me that I'm ignorant, calling anyone trying to correct you an idiot, and saying that anyone has tried pointing you in the right direction has a small mind, that your idea is "simply too great for our minds to comprehend," in all your spelling errors. The fact is, you're an egotistical jerk. You post your ideas for no other purpose than to say, "Hey, look, I can think outside the box, and I don't care what anyone else says." You want the attention and the glory, so it pisses you off when anyone contradicts you. Either get over yourself, and stop with flaming anyone trying to redeem what little credibility you have left, or find somewhere else to troll about.

Goreman · Mar 14, 2007, 08:59 PM // 20:59

dude, if we did dragons, call it "Dragon Wars" instead... everyone would want to be the dragon... >_<